Gateway murder trial

Good morning – deliberations to continue

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Today the jury will continue deliberations, but in Courtroom G. This will give them more room to spread out during their deliberations.

The courtroom we’re in now, Courtroom C will be locked up during deliberations. If the jurors ask a question, the courtroom will be unlocked and court will reconvene.

This means those of us sitting in the courtroom all day will have to sit in the hall or the lobby on this floor. That’s not such a bad thing because the chairs in the lobby are cushioned! The ones in the courtroom are more like church pews that aren’t padded. They’re not too comfortable!

Personally I hope the jury returns a verdict today. There’s no way to know what they’re thinking or doing or which way they are leaning. Your guess is as good as mine.

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Written by Melissa Hudson

October 16, 2008 at 8:56 am

Posted in Day 11

11 Responses

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  1. I would imagine that you are just as antsy as the rest of us waiting, but I’m personally glad that they are taking their time. It means they realize the importance of their decisions! I wouldn’t want to be on that jury for all the money in the world.

    Just Me

    October 16, 2008 at 9:01 am

  2. @Just Me
    Importance of their decision? It’s not like they are impeaching the President of the United States. This is just some motorcycle mechanic that had a criminal past. He’s a repeat offender at that.

    The way I look at it, he has lied from the start and created his “story” based upon what the prosecution came out with (motorcyle at the 7-11, DNA, time of events, camo jacket, etc).

    Sorry, but if the cops ask you for a camo jacket and you tell them it’s back home, then when they leave you pull it out and clean it with brake cleaner to get “bugs” off of it…that just smells of guilt to me.

    I watched a video of Fred Cooper on the stand and as a guy I know when we men lie. The moment he started talking about Michelle and their brief phone conversations I couldn’t take it anymore. The guy was lying through his teeth.

    This isn’t an important decision – he’s a thief and murderer. He’s guilty as charged on all accounts. Send him to prison for life without possibility of parole. Give the parents and child of Steven and Michelle the peace they deserve.

    Jon

    October 16, 2008 at 9:30 am

  3. @Jon

    Yes, the importance of their decision! The 12 people that are in that room have to be 100% positive of their decision. They have to be sure that the prosocution didn’t leave a doubt. Personally, I believe that he did this. I think he should be 1st in line on death row, but I wasn’t in the courtroom, and I don’t have to weigh my decision. I wish nothing more than peace and closure for the families of Michelle and Steven! I also can understand the agony that Fred’s parents must be going through and wish them peace as well.
    The fact remains that the jury must be 100% certain and with the testimony that I’ve read in this blog, I’m not.

    Just Me

    October 16, 2008 at 9:39 am

  4. You can never be 100% certain on anything unless you can read his mind or you were there to witness it yourself.

    Scott Peterson was convicted without a single bit of DNA proof or smoking gun. All there was, was motive and the fact that he lied through his teeth. Fred Cooper has motive, DNA evidence at the crime scene and lying throuth his teeth. You cannot believe anything he says because his only alibi is dead – ironically he’s supposedly the last person to see her alive too.

    I don’t think the decision is that important because who losses if Fred Cooper is found guilty? Who suffers from it? Fred Coopers parents? If they valued their son at all maybe they should have raised him better?

    Here’s the only thing that the jury should think about. All the evidence is there from the prosecution and it’s all based upon truth. Anything that Fred Cooper said could very well be a lie, as he lied to police officers repeatedly. Then think of the Andrews’ 2 year old son that was standing in his mother’s and father’s own blood probably trying to wake them up.

    Guilt is a given. The only important decision is life in prison WITHOUT parole or death penalty. I think the death penalty is too nice of a punishment for him.

    Jon

    October 16, 2008 at 9:59 am

  5. It’s hard to say what he was thinking. Let’s examine this thought for a second; Maybe he realized he could be the only one viewed to have motive once he heard of their deaths. I would be frantic as well. Panic sometimes creates variations from the truth. Weather or not he is a past criminal, a liar, or an unfaithful man, he is still, by the constitution of the United States allowed a fair and unbiased trial. I feel the prosecution did not fulfill their responsibilities to convict without a shadow of a doubt. Evidence is still loose at best. I wouldn’t want a public defender representing me in a murder trial either. Inconclusive DNA. He is the only one at this time who knows weather he is guilty or not. That jury has a very difficult choice to make. Do I fell he is guilty? yes.

    bob

    October 16, 2008 at 10:48 am

  6. I too believe he is guilty. But, I don’t think they showed that he is guilty without a resonable doubt. As far as the comment on his parents-not fair. No one knows what provoks killers and criminals so lets not blame the parents. Many peoples lives changed because of this crime and I feel for all of them. I feel for Steven and Michelle’s families and also Fred Coopers family. Imagine his daughter, now left without a father too. Imagine what his parent’s must go through every day?

    lacy

    October 16, 2008 at 10:59 am

  7. Bob… you and I seem to be on the same page. I just don’t see, how with what was presented to us through the media,and this blog, that a decision can be made as quickly as we would all like.

    Just Me

    October 16, 2008 at 11:05 am

  8. I too believe he is guilty but I agree with some above comments that Prosecution did not prove without a reasonable doubt. I have lots of questions still about if he really did it. I have thought fromt he beginning that he did but then I followed the case and I’m now not 100% sure he did.

    I also agree lets not blame his parents for this unforgive act. If he did do it he obviously wasn’t in right state of mind. Who will lose from Fred getting death???? How about his daughter!!!!!!!!!! She is now without a father just has Lucas is without parents because of this henous act.

    Questions:
    1. How come there is no other evidence that he was in that house besides on just Michelle? If he is telling the truth about affair then it’s possible his DNA is on her and only her?

    2. Why would you go to work the next day in the same jacket you used during a murder?

    3. Why would you clean it out in the open?

    4. Why would you just leave evidence on top of trash can?

    5. Whose jeans were they that they found Kelly’s DNA on?

    6. How come phone records weren’t checked at SunSports or Andrews house to see if calls were made to Sunsports?

    7. The other male DNA that was found that isn’t Fred or Steven’s whose is it??? Could it be Luca’s??? How come DNA wasn’t taken from Lucas just to help with the case to seperate DNA?

    soapopera25

    October 16, 2008 at 11:06 am

  9. I agree about leaving parents out of this. A person needs to be held responsible for their own actions. Blaming Fred Coopers parents is just wrong, and why I didn’t comment on it.

    I said before in another post… Great thing about this country that we live in. We are free to have our own opinions and even better, we are allowed to speak those opinions!

    I wondered about the phone records at SunSports also.

    Just Me

    October 16, 2008 at 11:24 am

  10. @bob
    He’s having more fair of a trial than he would have had 30-40 years ago (before DNA became a factor). Look at how many innocent people were put in prison before DNA evidence came around?

    Here he has his DNA under Michelle’s fingernail and also on the nightgown that she wore that night, not from semen. How is Fred’s DNA going to end up there?

    @lacy
    His daughter would have been without him anyway when her parents separated. Please, her father stood above her mother with a gun and said he couldn’t live without her. That’s nuts. There’s also no telling the stress she saw on a daily basis from her parents obviously not getting along. She’s better off not being in the presence of her unstable father.

    @soapopera25
    1. Do you think you spread DNA by just walking into a home? Why is it only on Michelle? Because she’s the one that struggled with him while he beat and choked her.
    2. One thing I have learned from living in SWFL is that the criminals here aren’t very bright.
    3. Police had left and he was in a hurry? He doesn’t seem like someone that is able to think ahead very well.
    4. Because he had used brake cleaner on it? That’s almost as bad as bleach.
    5. Steven’s jeans, the same ones he wore during his little “visit” with Kellie. Kellie’s DNA was all on the crotch area of his jeans.
    6. Local calls aren’t tracked?
    7. Lucas has the same DNA as his parents. It’s how they determine paternity?

    Jon

    October 16, 2008 at 12:09 pm

  11. Where are the original statements that were leaked? Kellie had a different story as well…

    Paternity cannot be determine without child’s dna…

    TBD

    October 16, 2008 at 1:11 pm


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