Gateway murder trial

Recording of Cooper’s interrogation (more details added 10/15)

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We’re listening to a recording of the interrogation of Fred Cooper on December 27, 2005. Detectives Walter Ryan and Bill Kalstrom did the interview at 8 pm.

“Right now we’re in the process of separating” – been happening two or three weeks. Says Kellie wanted the breakup, not him.

Fred says he met Steven at Kellie’s work and at a Christmas party.

He says he went to her work pretty often.

Says Kellie said she wasn’t seeing anyone right now but if she started seeing someone he would need to respect that.

Says for the last few weeks, Kellie leaves the room or goes outside when she gets phone calls.

He says they’re sleeping in separate rooms.

Says they are trying to establish Kellie’s whereabouts because she was Steven’s co-worker.

On the 26th he says he and Kellie went to the mall, then worked on his daughter’s room for a little while (around 2 pm). (they had moved in recently)

Worked in the room two or three hours (until about 7).

He lives in Jeneva way with his daughter, kellie, and his mother.

He went onto the computer, she got a call from Claudia and left to go to Claudia’s house. (she left around 8:30 p.m.)

She came home around 10 and he was still on the computer. He went downstairs when she got home (and got off the computer because she wanted to go to bed).

She drives a Nissan xterra (graphite in color) and is brand new

He says he was downstairs for a little while. Says he messed with his bike in the garage for an hour to an hour and half and left to test the bike. (4 or five times for fifteen minutes at a time)

Went back in the house 11:30 to 12 a.m. He was in the house the rest of the night.

“I never left the complex”

He says it’s a gated community.

Says he left that morning at 7 to go to work. He saw Kellie around 6:30 a.m. when he went into her room to leave her a note. (that’s the next time he saw her)

They talk about his motorcycle for a while. One of the detectives said “he’d kill himself” on one of those (meaning motorcycles)

Ryan tells Cooper they’re talking to him because Kellie is Steven’s coworker and he can vouch for her whereabouts. Detectives say they start with the family and work their way out. Kellie was Steven’s friend so they need to see what Kellie was doing.

He saw the news about the murders on tv and knew she worked with Steven Andrews.

He says he called and told Kellie he thought someone in her office died.

She didn’t believe him.

He says he looked it up online. He told her to come home but she didn’t.

Kellie was with Claudia all day that day. Says he saw her when he got home and Claudia was with her (that was the night of the 27th)

“Has she ever been violent” – detective asked about Kellie.

He says he never touched Kellie. If they get into a fight he walks away.

“We’re concerned about this with Steven Andrews” – detectives.

Did you ever suspect her of seeing someone? “yes and no but I’ve never seen heard or had reason to believe. For the past few weeks…”

They decided to separate but there was no emotion out of her.

“We have our problems, every couple does” – Fred said.

Detectives say Steven was having trouble with his marriage.

“Did Kellie ever tell you about Steven’s wife confronting her?” Yes, two days ago she says she received a call from steve’s wife asking why Kellie went over the spending limit for the secret santa gift. She says she only went over it by $5 or something like that.

Says he has no reason to believe Kellie was seeing anyone.

Detectives concerned that Kellie was away the night of the murders “Do you think she’s capable of doing this?”

“I do not think she’d be capable of this” – Fred said.

He says he got a gun about four years ago and got rid of it about three weeks ago. He had a hard time of dealing with separation and he found himself looking at it a little bit too much. Says he didn’t want to lose his daughter.

Detectives asked if Kellie had access to the gun. She never shot that gun, but she had gone shooting twice with him.

Says his mom went to bed when he went to the garage.

Fred says no one saw him working on his bike that night. He says most neighbors kept to themselves.

What you’ve told us is similar to what Kellie said, some of it is different but it’s not off by much – detective said.

Detective says it’s merely a formality – not accusing him of anything – but want to read him his Miranda rights. In “real life” it’s just a formality.

Now they’re questioning him more specifically. Says they will ask what he did yesterday, questions about his daughter. says they’re not accusing him.

Kellie says he’s her alibi. But they want to go over details that were different from what Kellie said.

Fred said the gun was a .25-caliber. He kept it in the closet. He got it four years ago. Says Kellie didn’t have a problem with the gun in the closet. Says she may have asked him to get rid of it, but doesn’t completely remember.

Says he told Kellie he didn’t know how he could go on without her. She did ask him to get rid of it and he says he did three weeks ago.

He says he threw the gun in Wiggans Pass. Threw it as far as he could “chuck” it.

Wears several different jackets when riding his motorcycle – a Joe Rocket riding jacket, yellow fox pullover, camoflouge jacket and flannel jacket.

He says he didn’t think Kellie would be interested in someone like Steven – because they were different people personality-wise.

He says he didn’t think Kellie was seeing anyone. He says it crossed his mind, but he didn’t think so.

Even when Steve’s wife called, he says he didn’t suspect. Says he didn’t know about the call until yesterday.

Detectives say it looks bad that both he and Kellie left for a short time the night of the murders.

“How do you explain that?”

“it looks bad” – detective

We’re not accusing you, we want to rule things out. We’re looking to rule people out.

Also mentions that Michelle thinks there’s something going on between Steve and Kellie. Says the jealousy factor can come into play in situations like this.

Detectives tell Fred they found three people who saw a motorcycle leaving Gateway that night, quickly.

He says his motorcycle sounds more like a Harley.

And more than one person described a white male wearing a camoflouge jacket. They’re trying to “rule out” Fred Cooper.

Ryan says Kellie was seeing Steven, a man on a motorcycle and a man with a camo jacket in the neighborhood. You and Kellie were on the outs, Steve and Michelle were on the outs.

If you were found dead, we’d have the same discussion with them (Michelle and Steven)

“I have no idea where Steven and Michelle live, I knew they lived in Gateway.” – Fred

“I didn’t know she was seeing steven until just now.” – Fred

Says he wasn’t driving in Gateway yesterday.

Did you get hurt or recently cut at work? Fred says no.

Ryan asks about the scratches on his arms. Cooper says he has scratches all the time – it comes from the job. He says he bangs his hands all the time. His right hand is also swollen. Says he bangs his knuckles all the time.

“I don’t consider that hurt, that kind of stuff happens every day” – Fred

Fred says he had nothing to do with the murders.

Fred denies knowing of the relationship with Kellie and Steven.

They asked Cooper for a cheek swab and fingerprints and Fred says “I have no problem with that.”

They stop the tape – 8:48 pm.


Written by Melissa Hudson

October 8, 2008 at 3:07 pm

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